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Hello! Welcome to the customized HTML page for the Free Will, Science and Religion Podcast. Chandler Klebs wrote this page by following the tutorial at w3schools.com and learning some basic HTML tags.

The idea behind this is to have a nice clean page which allows easier navigation for slow internet connections or mobile devices.

Each episode has a link below it to it's page on the Internet Archive. Additionally I may also provide links to where I've uploaded it in video form at YouTube or Vimeo.

Keep in mind that this page is not always the most up to date. For the latest content I suggest that you subscribe through iTunes or Stitcher

1. Introduction to the podcast

This is the premier episode. George Ortega, Trick Slattery, and Chandler Klebs talk, define some terms, and talk about why free will is impossible and how they explain it in their books they published. There are many things from both science and religion that conflict with the belief in free will. It was this idea that inspired us to start this podcast.

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2. Hedonic Imperative

Trick Slattery, George Ortega, and Jamie Soden talk about the hedonic imperative or pleasure principle. We seek pleasure and avoid pain. This is just one of many reasons we don't have a free will. People keep doing what feels good(pleasure) and try to avoid what feels bad(pain). Upon this is our basis for morality. Some people derive pleasure from doing what they feel is right for someone else even when it may hurt them at the moment. So even altruism falls under this category.

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3. Why it's important to know we don't have a free will

What has the universe compelled you do feel today? Nick Vale, George Ortega, and Jamie Soden talk about the importance of knowing we don't have free will. This is a big change in our consciousness that we will benefit from but perhaps not everyone is ready for it. Some people don't get it. Mostly likely it's because they don't want to.

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4. Age of Responsibility?

Chandler, George, Jamie, Felicia, David, and Will talk about responsibility, the criminal justice system and how the truth of our unfree will fits into all of this. We also talk about the common fears and myths surrounding the topic that keeps people from accepting the most basic truth of human will. Some people believe that humans gain the ability to make choices and at a certain age become morally or legally responsible for their. Some people fear that without this fundamental belief in human responsibility that our existing legal system will collapse. What is clear is that any system based on libertarian free will must be changed to reflect the truth that our wills are causal.

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5. These People Just Don't Get It!

Chandler Klebs and George Ortega talk about why academics don't understand why free will is an illusion. Even when they do understand it, what keeps them from promoting this message? George thinks that they are unable to overcome their emotional needs to believe that things are different than what the evidence suggests.

Chandler Klebs and George Ortega talk about why academics don't understand why free will is an illusion. Even when they do understand it, what keeps them from promoting this message? George thinks that they are unable to overcome their emotional needs to believe that things are different than what the evidence suggests.

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6. God's Omniscience Versus Free Will

Chandler Klebs and George Ortega talk about the logical conflict between an omniscient god who knows the future with the belief that we can freely choose to do differently than what god knows we can do. Choosing contrary to god's knowledge makes god wrong. What does this imply for people who believe in prophecy while also believing that we have genuine choice and our future is not written?

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7. Podcast Publishing Goals

Chandler Klebs and George Ortega talk about our plans for this podcast and how we will recruit cohosts and publish the recordings. We send group emails and set up Skype sessions with a variety of cohosts and talk about what is most interesting to them. It's not that difficult to join us. If you have an interest in the free will debate you can easily contact us. Our official website has a form you can fill out.

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8. Criminal Justice System

George Ortega, Trick Slattery, and Jamie Soden talk about the criminal justice system and how the free will belief leads us to blame people for crimes and cause them to suffer in unnecessary ways. We need to move away from revenge and switch to methods that deter and correct criminals away from doing harmful things. An understanding of determinism allows us to get to the causes of crimes we wish to prevent people from doing. It also opens up a larger topic of what is or is not a crime. How do we agree on a standard of legality and morality?

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9. Right Way to Think

George Ortega, Gary Mosher, David Joseph, Trick Slattery, and Chandler Klebs talk about the meaning of "free". We clarify what the free will debate is really about. It's not about political freedom. You must first have a constraint before the word free can have any context. Gary explains that two plus two equals four and there is no point in being free to come up with 5 or 6.

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10. Happy Conscious Robots

When we know that we aren't the source of anything we do, we can no longer be proud or arrogant. We cannot brag about what "we" did any more than another robot can. However we can still be happy being what we are and doing what we do. We are constantly reprogrammed by our experiences and so we can and do change without requiring a free will. This is because we are conscious of our surroundings and adapt to them.

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11. When Do We Become Conscious?

The cohosts disagree about the role of consciousness in our actions and also at what point humans become conscious. George says our decisions are made by the unconscious brain before we become aware of them. This leads to much confusion about what the difference between conciousness and unconsciousness. We don't know why we are doing what we do! This is helpful in explaining why we are not in control as we might feel.

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12. Other Topics

Chandler and George Ortega share their very controversial opinions about consciousness, intelligence, the illusion of self, and many other things. This was sort of unusual because most of our podcasts were about why free will is an illusion. This was more about other topics that come up when we understand humans are not the authors of the intelligence they seem to display. We are some amazing robots.

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13. Different Definitions of Terms

Chandler Klebs, George Ortega, Trick Slattery, and David Joseph talk about how certain words have different meanings to different people. This causes confusion about terms like free will, choice, randomness, god, etc. Can we ever establish that there is a right meaning for these? For George, God just means the Universe. He thinks this is the original meaning of God before it was changed by polytheists and monotheist. Similarly, the cohosts of this podcast are committed to the idea that Libertarian free will was the original definition and compatibilism is a modern attempt to confuse the issue so that people never learn to stop blaming themselves and others for what is not in our control.

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14. What is our message?

Chandler Klebs, Trick Slattery, George Ortega, and David Joseph talk about what the message of this podcast is and what it is not. People do not need to fear anything from knowing we don't have a free will. If anything life will be more peaceful without the blame and hatred that comes from believing people freely chose to hurt us. By understanding the causes of problems, we may get better at preventing them as well as stop blaming ourselves and others for our mistakes.

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15. Punishment, Deterrence, and Correction

Chandler Klebs, George Ortega, and David Joseph talk about punishment and how our ideas about it will change as the world starts to understand that we don't have a free will and nothing is up to us. Rewards and punishments are sometimes useful in modifying behavior but they should never be done because of a belief that people “deserve” anything. So it's not a question of whether or not to punish, but how much punishment and of what type that might be effective at changing people so that they no longer desire to commit horrible crimes.

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That's all for now. The first 15 episodes are a start. Depending on how useful this page is, I may add more episodes later. At the time of this writing, there are 136 episodes. They are all automatically added to the collection at the Internet Archive. That's a good way to get the latest audio file directly from any web browser.

You might be wondering why I bothered to learn old fashioned HTML to create a page listing the episodes of this podcast. I felt like I needed to get familiar with it in case I need to custom edit the Causal Consciousness site without worrying about the details of special software.